Pakistan has launched Military Operation against Taliban

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Pakistan has launched military operation against Taliban extremist, Taliban are bombing and killing innocent Pakistani in our cities, they kill our brother and sisters children and elders on the name of God, they all are misguided people, they are burning girls school and saying that girls education is non Islamic; now they deserve to be killed by our forces, Islam said education to all man and women, I hope this time our strong Army will kill all of them and through them out of our land. Taliban must go and live in Afghanistan in the stone era; we Pakistani don't want to live in that era.

Good. Its about time. I hope they kill every single terrorist in the country and make an example outta them.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

We are forgetting an important factor of funds. Firstly who will provide the funds for the operation, I guess probably America. If so for how long....as long as Bush Govt. is in power? What will happen afterwards? The funding will be reduced and we have to call off the operation.

What will happen afterwards, a situation not less than a chaos including attempted suicidal attacks on Government properties (I hope not). The moral is that this present situation is taking Pakistan towards a new problem or it might open a new front of danger along with the 1800 KM 60 years long India.

Is Pakistan in the situation of affording this war against whom......?

best regards

jazz_01 wrote:

We are forgetting an important factor of funds. Firstly who will provide the funds for the operation, I guess probably America. If so for how long....as long as Bush Govt. is in power? What will happen afterwards? The funding will be reduced and we have to call off the operation.

What will happen afterwards, a situation not less than a chaos including attempted suicidal attacks on Government properties (I hope not). The moral is that this present situation is taking Pakistan towards a new problem or it might open a new front of danger along with the 1800 KM 60 years long India.

Is Pakistan in the situation of affording this war against whom......?

best regards

point noted.

I guess we should just leave them alone, let them eventually take over the govt and turn pakistan into a living hell that that afghanistan was all thoughout late '90's.

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

I strongly believe that war is not a tactic that should be used against Tribal people, as this will be completely non productive, Pakistani Govt. should try to understand the behaviour and moods of people from that area. We are axeing our own feet with our own hands, and these feet when axed will develop a plague all over the country which will almost destroy Pakistan (God forbid).

Anyways I am disappointed the way our govt. is acting, its completely undemocratic this is not the way to make decisions without people's will, the way decisions have been taking place all over the world, American Congress and Parliament, UK Parliament house etc. If majority of ministers agree or they should carry out a referrendum and if majority of poeple agree then there should be an operation in tribal areas otherwise ministers should try to pursue their governing skills to find out the solution of this problem. Otherwise there is no use of government if they cant resolve issues using their skills (which presumeably they dont have).

One thing is sure that people in tribal areas are already deprived of necessities of life, when you do any operation in that area its gona increase the frustration amonsgt the masses over there and there will be more sense of deprivation and hence this will lead to a great rebellion, and because people from tribal areas are stubborn and keep their words, they will never ever bow before any foreign powers and they will keep fighting until the last person in that area dies, and then the hatred against Pakistan amongst these masses will further be exploited by india, israel and america to gain their interests, these people will spread out all over Pakistan and start a chaos and destabilise the country either by suicide bombing or insurgency. So it is a very sensitive issue and our leaders should take it serious, its not the game of PAC ma, as it seems only Prime ministers is making decision of operation and he has given power to COAS Pervez kiyani, rather he should take this issue in parliament, discuss and debate the issue there and then pass a resolution with majority, then he could send the troops there. It seems that PPP is again misusing the power and exhibiting the feudal behaviour.

I remember when nawaz sharif had to take the decision of nuclear tests he had to go through every person, he consulted with all the leaders in the country, consulted with parliament even he went out on the roads to carry out processions to get the public opinion that whether we should do the tests or not, and then he carried out the tests based on the feedback. This is how democracy works, there should always be a feedback from the mandate that has been given to the prime power of the country, it should not be an open loop.

Should have been done much earlier. Giving free hand to someone is not the way and for a very long time the politics of talks had been going on without any results. Now the operation should bring justice to the people and free the area.

right step in right direction.

wrong step in wrong direction

	que10 wrote:
	point noted. I guess we should just leave them alone, let them eventually take over the govt and turn pakistan into a living hell that that afghanistan was all thoughout late '90's.

Pakistan is a living hell at the moment, and will become worse if the Military operation will continue.

Instead of Military operations Zardari Govt. should be focussing on removing Musharraf and restoration of judges.

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	Pakistan is a living hell at the moment, and will become worse if the Military operation will continue. Instead of Military operations Zardari Govt. should be focussing on removing Musharraf and restoration of judges.

Are you kidding me.......The whole world can change, but zardari Govt, will never restore the judges.....In my view, F##k all the judges, cuz this issue will never be resolved, If they really wana do something good for the country, then do something about Our Poor people, provide them with food, clean drinking water,Education and jobs, give them what they really need, they dont give a shit about anything else..... People didnt voted them to restore the judges, you should know this by now......

By the way, its a bit late, but Action against the terrorists is a good one, they were making Pakistans and islams Image bad....

simsim

SIMSIM wrote:

Are you kidding me.......The whole world can change, but zardari Govt, will never restore the judges.....In my view, F##k all the judges, cuz this issue will never be resolved, If they really wana do something good for the country, then do something about Our Poor people, provide them with food, clean drinking water,Education and jobs, give them what they really need, they dont give a shit about anything else..... People didnt voted them to restore the judges, you should know this by now......

By the way, its a bit late, but Action against the terrorists is a good one, they were making Pakistans and islams Image bad....

simsim

it's not only restoration of judges which is an issue. The real issue is that we have seen in the last one year that people have no say in Pakistan, whether its judges restoration issue or its removal of a tyrant.

So its pretty evident that, Military operation will be continued as long as US wants.

Unfortunately, people of Pakistan have become so helpless in their own country that even giving mandate in elections to their nominees they cannot get much out of it. I think now its a time to admit that we are just playing in the hands of US.

The solution to this situation , in my sole view, we should start building our educational and industrial sectors. Killing ppl will take us no where.

jazz_01 wrote:

SIMSIM wrote:

Are you kidding me.......The whole world can change, but zardari Govt, will never restore the judges.....In my view, F##k all the judges, cuz this issue will never be resolved, If they really wana do something good for the country, then do something about Our Poor people, provide them with food, clean drinking water,Education and jobs, give them what they really need, they dont give a shit about anything else..... People didnt voted them to restore the judges, you should know this by now......

By the way, its a bit late, but Action against the terrorists is a good one, they were making Pakistans and islams Image bad....

simsim

it's not only restoration of judges which is an issue. The real issue is that we have seen in the last one year that people have no say in Pakistan, whether its judges restoration issue or its removal of a tyrant.

So its pretty evident that, Military operation will be continued as long as US wants.

Unfortunately, people of Pakistan have become so helpless in their own country that even giving mandate in elections to their nominees they cannot get much out of it. I think now its a time to admit that we are just playing in the hands of US.

The solution to this situation , in my sole view, we should start building our educational and industrial sectors. Killing ppl will take us no where.

a tyrant????

who are we kidding jazz. Pakistan has never had democracy in the history of the country. It has always been a one man show whether it was a civil govt. or the army govt. Ever since the assasination of liaqat ali khan, this country has been run by fuedals and wadairas. Ppl of the country claim they want democracy, but there they have no clue wut democracy is.

And the ppl who are claiming to be so-called champions of democracy (i.e: zardari and nawaz), thier true selves is in front of us too. Nawaz wants to scream on top of his lungs 'ut the holiness of judiciary, but was'nt it his goons who attacked the supreme court in 1998 'se the chief justice at the time charged him with contemp of court and he himself had removed a chief justice or 2 and to top it off, was about to claim himself "ameer-ul-momineen".

Zardari (mr. 10 %) will not restore the judges untill he is sure that his curruption cases(most of them are legit by the way) will not be brought up again or untill he gets is approved from the parliment the bill that if the preceedings for a case do not start in 2 years, the case should be dropped.

Now, coming to our honerable chief justice who says that he wont accept PCO judges. Did he not take oath for the office under the PCO order under musharaf reign?????

Bhai trust me, all these faces u see on TV claiming to be massiahs of the common man do not want to have anything with the common folks.

I remember Nawaz sharif making a statement after the nuclear tests pakistan conducted( he had nothing to with the nuclear program btw, it was a calculated decision taken by the think tank of our armed forces), he said " hum ghaas khain gay, laikin bomb banain gay".
No1 bothered to ask him that mian sahib, when did u, or any present polition ever ate ghaas??? Ghaas tou iss mulk kay loug khaa rahay hain for the last 60 years. These so called leaders live in mansions and steal billions of dollors while the poor ppl eat die.

ppl seem to forget the how these very same ppl raped the country blind all throughout the late 80's to late 90's. What makes u think they'll be any diffent now?

But then again, what do I know. Razz

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

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a tyrant????

who are we kidding jazz. Pakistan has never had democracy in the history of the country. It has always been a one man show whether it was a civil govt. or the army govt. Ever since the assasination of liaqat ali khan, this country has been run by fuedals and wadairas. Ppl of the country claim they want democracy, but there they have no clue wut democracy is.

And the ppl who are claiming to be so-called champions of democracy (i.e: zardari and nawaz), thier true selves is in front of us too. Nawaz wants to scream on top of his lungs 'ut the holiness of judiciary, but was'nt it his goons who attacked the supreme court in 1998 'se the chief justice at the time charged him with contemp of court and he himself had removed a chief justice or 2 and to top it off, was about to claim himself "ameer-ul-momineen".

Zardari (mr. 10 %) will not restore the judges untill he is sure that his curruption cases(most of them are legit by the way) will not be brought up again or untill he gets is approved from the parliment the bill that if the preceedings for a case do not start in 2 years, the case should be dropped.

Now, coming to our honerable chief justice who says that he wont accept PCO judges. Did he not take oath for the office under the PCO order under musharaf reign?????

Bhai trust me, all these faces u see on TV claiming to be massiahs of the common man do not want to have anything with the common folks.

I remember Nawaz sharif making a statement after the nuclear tests pakistan conducted( he had nothing to with the nuclear program btw, it was a calculated decision taken by the think tank of our armed forces), he said " hum ghaas khain gay, laikin bomb banain gay".
No1 bothered to ask him that mian sahib, when did u, or any present polition ever ate ghaas??? Ghaas tou iss mulk kay loug khaa rahay hain for the last 60 years. These so called leaders live in mansions and steal billions of dollors while the poor ppl eat die.

ppl seem to forget the how these very same ppl raped the country blind all throughout the late 80's to late 90's. What makes u think they'll be any diffent now?

But then again, what do I know. Razz

Well we all know what you are pointing out about Nawaz, Zardari, Army and Chief Justice.

What is the solution?

The things is that whenever things started going in a right direction this US thinggie appears and messes everything up. Musharraf took illegal power by dismissing PCO judges. Zardari came into power after NRO and US pressure.

My take is Sahaba who embrassed Islam were also used to commit sins in their pre-islamic life, so are we still remembering them by their sins or their post sinful period. If Chief justice's zamir woke after steel mill case or whatever....why we still have to say that he took oath under Musharraf once? Why donot we say that he took a firm stand against Musharraf, he took suo-moto against missing person's case and moreover Lal Masjid.

Why do not u see that Musharraf is a coward man who dismissed Chief justice second time due to the looming fears of him not eligible to nominate as a President twice through the same Parliament.

Who is responsible for this artificial hoarding of Wheat? why our country is without light for half of a day even in 2008. Who is responsible for it? Of course the man sitting as a president for the last 11 years.
Who is the root cause of all these suicidal bombings happening throughout the country.

You will see the day is not far when there will be a revolution in Pakistan, believe me dynamics are changing very fast and are no more like even 2yrs before.

best regards

jazz_01 wrote:

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a tyrant????

who are we kidding jazz. Pakistan has never had democracy in the history of the country. It has always been a one man show whether it was a civil govt. or the army govt. Ever since the assasination of liaqat ali khan, this country has been run by fuedals and wadairas. Ppl of the country claim they want democracy, but there they have no clue wut democracy is.

And the ppl who are claiming to be so-called champions of democracy (i.e: zardari and nawaz), thier true selves is in front of us too. Nawaz wants to scream on top of his lungs 'ut the holiness of judiciary, but was'nt it his goons who attacked the supreme court in 1998 'se the chief justice at the time charged him with contemp of court and he himself had removed a chief justice or 2 and to top it off, was about to claim himself "ameer-ul-momineen".

Zardari (mr. 10 %) will not restore the judges untill he is sure that his curruption cases(most of them are legit by the way) will not be brought up again or untill he gets is approved from the parliment the bill that if the preceedings for a case do not start in 2 years, the case should be dropped.

Now, coming to our honerable chief justice who says that he wont accept PCO judges. Did he not take oath for the office under the PCO order under musharaf reign?????

Bhai trust me, all these faces u see on TV claiming to be massiahs of the common man do not want to have anything with the common folks.

I remember Nawaz sharif making a statement after the nuclear tests pakistan conducted( he had nothing to with the nuclear program btw, it was a calculated decision taken by the think tank of our armed forces), he said " hum ghaas khain gay, laikin bomb banain gay".
No1 bothered to ask him that mian sahib, when did u, or any present polition ever ate ghaas??? Ghaas tou iss mulk kay loug khaa rahay hain for the last 60 years. These so called leaders live in mansions and steal billions of dollors while the poor ppl eat die.

ppl seem to forget the how these very same ppl raped the country blind all throughout the late 80's to late 90's. What makes u think they'll be any diffent now?

But then again, what do I know. Razz

Well we all know what you are pointing out about Nawaz, Zardari, Army and Chief Justice.

What is the solution?

The things is that whenever things started going in a right direction this US thinggie appears and messes everything up. Musharraf took illegal power by dismissing PCO judges. Zardari came into power after NRO and US pressure.

My take is Sahaba who embrassed Islam were also used to commit sins in their pre-islamic life, so are we still remembering them by their sins or their post sinful period. If Chief justice's zamir woke after steel mill case or whatever....why we still have to say that he took oath under Musharraf once? Why donot we say that he took a firm stand against Musharraf, he took suo-moto against missing person's case and moreover Lal Masjid.

Why do not u see that Musharraf is a coward man who dismissed Chief justice second time due to the looming fears of him not eligible to nominate as a President twice through the same Parliament.

Who is responsible for this artificial hoarding of Wheat? why our country is without light for half of a day even in 2008. Who is responsible for it? Of course the man sitting as a president for the last 11 years.
Who is the root cause of all these suicidal bombings happening throughout the country.

You will see the day is not far when there will be a revolution in Pakistan, believe me dynamics are changing very fast and are no more like even 2yrs before.

best regards

Jazz, with all due respect yaar, u cannot possibly put the sahabas and these blood suckers in the same breath. When sahaba were doing whatever they doing, that was out of ignorence and lack of knowledge. They did not know any better. These Blood sucking leaches not only know better but they also they take advantage of that. Not just the polititions but also the so-called champions of islam who are creating diffrences between the masses by dividing them into sects.

I think aap ko lagta hai kay I am a blind supporter of supporter of musharaf. That cannot be further from the truth. That really is not the case. He has made some major blunders just like every1 else yaar but pakistan as a country was in much better shape under his rule then it has been in last 30 years.

And az far az the solution to the prob goes, its easier said then done. The main reason which is at the core of all problems, which i'm sure u'll agree with me is the lack of education and even the access to a half way decent education to the population. No politition of today would want the masses educated and having commen sense 'se agar aisaa ho gaya tou inn lougon ko vote koun day ga. And Talibans, or any other extremist group is the worst of this lot because trust me, In the name of Islam, they want the masses to stay ignorent so they can implement thier own agenda.

And the "US thingy" that u mentioned did not just drop out of the sky. Admit it or not, This whole thing was avoidable but the talibans in afghanistan chose not to. Did 1 man's life was really that much precious then all the blood that has been shed untill now????? And if ossama really was innocent, why did he run liker a lil' u know what instead of facing the music and prove his innocence.

I am well aware of the fact that every1 make the argument that the arrogant americans think thier lives are more precious then every1 else. But is that jack as* ossama not in the same boat. What makes him think that he's much more important then all the innocent blood that has been shed under his name?

And I know this is a very touchy issue with all us pakistanis so i would like to request that u read wut i wrote and very calmly think 'ut it nice and hard. My intension is/was never to offend any 1 but merely to have ppl think outside the box. Every one is thier own person and is entitled to thier opinion. Evet 1 should be able to express themselves & we should have the courage and decency to listen to every1 and be able to reason with them in a civilized manner.( not talking specifically about u, but in general). I truly believe that we all the nation's and ummah's best interest at heart, but different point of views.

Thank you and best regards

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"You are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE"... Jinnah, Aug 11th 1947.

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Jazz, with all due respect yaar, u cannot possibly put the sahabas and these blood suckers in the same breath. When sahaba were doing whatever they doing, that was out of ignorence and lack of knowledge. They did not know any better. These Blood sucking leaches not only know better but they also they take advantage of that. Not just the polititions but also the so-called champions of islam who are creating diffrences between the masses by dividing them into sects.

I think aap ko lagta hai kay I am a blind supporter of supporter of musharaf. That cannot be further from the truth. That really is not the case. He has made some major blunders just like every1 else yaar but pakistan as a country was in much better shape under his rule then it has been in last 30 years.

And az far az the solution to the prob goes, its easier said then done. The main reason which is at the core of all problems, which i'm sure u'll agree with me is the lack of education and even the access to a half way decent education to the population. No politition of today would want the masses educated and having commen sense 'se agar aisaa ho gaya tou inn lougon ko vote koun day ga. And Talibans, or any other extremist group is the worst of this lot because trust me, In the name of Islam, they want the masses to stay ignorent so they can implement thier own agenda.

And the "US thingy" that u mentioned did not just drop out of the sky. Admit it or not, This whole thing was avoidable but the talibans in afghanistan chose not to. Did 1 man's life was really that much precious then all the blood that has been shed untill now????? And if ossama really was innocent, why did he run liker a lil' u know what instead of facing the music and prove his innocence.

I am well aware of the fact that every1 make the argument that the arrogant americans think thier lives are more precious then every1 else. But is that jack as* ossama not in the same boat. What makes him think that he's much more important then all the innocent blood that has been shed under his name?

And I know this is a very touchy issue with all us pakistanis so i would like to request that u read wut i wrote and very calmly think 'ut it nice and hard. My intension is/was never to offend any 1 but merely to have ppl think outside the box. Every one is thier own person and is entitled to thier opinion. Evet 1 should be able to express themselves & we should have the courage and decency to listen to every1 and be able to reason with them in a civilized manner.( not talking specifically about u, but in general). I truly believe that we all the nation's and ummah's best interest at heart, but different point of views.

Thank you and best regards

Everyone thinks he is right and other is wrong, like we are debating where you think you are right and I am wrong. Same goes for the Sahabas where they probably thought they were right and used to do killings and drink alcohol.

But how did they realize that what they were doing was wrong? The change in environment made them think. If you never give anyone the other choice (assumingly the right one), no one gonna select the right thing.

So in our case, if Ch. Iftikhar was wrong for the rest of his life, why we are hesitating giving him a credit that he changed when he realized that selling of steel Mill for few millions is not worth it, when few millions of scrap is just sitting in the godowns of the mill. And then the whole chain reaction started and he started taking action against every evil in the country.

I must stress one thing here, singing songs of Musharraf era are just a big redicule not more than that, as every Govt.'s policies show their effect after 5-6 yrs. You must not forget that Pakistan was just given a relief fund from Paris Club and other monetary funds for killing its own ppl in waziristan soon after Musharraf came into power.

And what we are seeing now are the after effects of Musharraf's policies. He got 11 yrs, he did not make a single dam, single factory, he is just giving hopes to the ppl by saying big words like Gawadar and bla bla bla and he himself was the one who took a great part in destroying relations with India on Kargil, starting suicidal effects on the streets of Pakistan, making MQM to kill ppl openly on the streets of Karachi / Lal masjid, his Generals made money in property businesses like Gen.Zarar zameen, hoarding of wheat, and other commodities like sugar and dollars. These are the open truths.

Ask your dear Musharraf to come to the public not his own selected two or three ppl, if he has courage come to the Public and face ppl, why he is hiding as a mouse in his Army house? He has no guts to face public and we say we had a good time in his era.

I think Muharraf's value is even less than a small leader of PMLN or PPP, I'm sure he is even less capable than Khawaja Asif or Shireen rehman type politicians.

best regards

AsSalam-O-Aleikum all,

Its heartening to read the intelligentia argue towards 'some' solution. At the same time I sense frustration and regurgitation of ones political beliefs in the open, not particularly as a response but as an outcry. All of this is important as it highlights patriotism in its own form and disgust towards the status quo in our beloved country.

In looking towards 'a solution', I feel our country and its countrymen have developed an 'AIDS' class disease after an onslaught of many socio-economic 'HIVs' and this sydrome has emerged in the veins of society as 'corruption'. The cause for this infliction has been there among our governments, establishment and the beaurocracy, if not in others, for the last few decades and its latest form can be seen in the example of the Steel Mill privitisation case. Just image the 'selfishness' of the individuals involved, how they were ready to 'throw away' such a huge national asset (one of a few left in national control) for their personal gains. Thanks to the timely challange in the courts (which are no more, unfortunately for Pakistan)

Taking a further lead from this example, I would like the public to also pay some attention to a much summerised version of our state of affairs in the global as well as historical context. Mr Zaid Hamid of Brasstacks, a think tank organisation in our capital, has very aptly summerised our position in the world and explained what is the real story. I have yet only seen Episode 7 and 8 on youtube, where he has explained the economically driven world regimes' strategies from the past contexts such as the end of the muslim empire in the sub-continent to the current scene inside Pakistan and in episode 8 he hints at the slow and steady solution strategy that we have to adopt against the issues highlighted in the previous episode.

I strongly suggest all of my brothers and sisters to get the bigger picture right and see whats behind all our problems. We don't want our country to face another repeat scene of 1971 (God forbid). May Allah keep us all together FOR Pakistan.

Thanks...

well I think it is not as simple as pakistan army going there and killing "terrorists". it is certainly a much much bigger conspiracy. Putting the army up against its own people is obviously not a good idea and if this goes on for any longer it would just make things worse. If it goes on longer it would give USA a reason to attack or even invade at least NWFP. and without doubt there would be killing of innocent people. one way or the other it would be pakistan who is at a loss and unfortunately our pupet government would not do anything

shame on all the people who are suporting this killing operation that has absolutely no legitimacy, it is completely illegal and cruel.

i hope God damn these people who cheer at death and destruction of our muslim brothers... i have given up praying for them .. because now everyting is so crystal clear about who's right and who's absolutely NOT RIGHT.. that there remains no doubt about these people's fascistic tendancies... i hope Allah gives them a severe punishment .. Ameen

These sorts of operations are transforming the only disciplined sector of Pakistan into an in-disciplined one which is Pak Army. Army's value will not be more than a Police after doing these operations on a regular basis.

I think their motivation to attack a real Army will go down, and they will be happy killing only civilians or some Afghans with few klashinikovs and RPGs. If they r so brave why do not they fight with Talibans on Pak-Afghan border and just finish the matter for once and for all. God knows how many Pak-soldiers have been killed already which are unknown.

This thing has to be stopped otherwise it will create a big unrest.

best regards

To Jazz_01:
Pakistani Army is brave and professional, in fact there are some cowards and corrupted generals destroying the image of Pak Army one of them is our current president and what Marshal-Law generals we had in past are very well known to everyone.

To terraX:
I’m not agree with you, nobody on this forum is appreciating killing of innocent people, tribal people are our brothers and Pak Army is deployed there to save there and rest of Pakistani people lives.

Pak Army is there to root out the foreign Terrorists who have brain washed some of our tribal people who think that suicide booming is a direct path to haven, they are killing innocents Pakistani on the name of Allah and terrifying local tribe people, they are blowing up our Masjids, girl’s school and you are asking us to feel shame; for what why???, so far Taliban aim is to push us in stone ages.

No my friend I’m not at all agree with you, in my opinion Terrorist are not Muslims, praying 5 time a day and blast Masjids is not what Islam teach if they are brain washed and misguided people they’ll never come to a normal civilized life they have become wild and we have to deal with them as a hunter, if we don't root out them they'll continue killing our brother and sister, remember please! The Best defense is to Attack.

pamada wrote:

To Jazz_01:
Pakistani Army is brave and professional, in fact there are some cowards and corrupted generals destroying the image of Pak Army one of them is our current president and what Marshal-Law generals we had in past are very well known to everyone.

To terraX:
I’m not agree with you, nobody on this forum is appreciating killing of innocent people, tribal people are our brothers and Pak Army is deployed there to save there and rest of Pakistani people lives.

Pak Army is there to root out the foreign Terrorists who have brain washed some of our tribal people who think that suicide booming is a direct path to haven, they are killing innocents Pakistani on the name of Allah and terrifying local tribe people, they are blowing up our Masjids, girl’s school and you are asking us to feel shame; for what why???, so far Taliban aim is to push us in stone ages.

No my friend I’m not at all agree with you, in my opinion Terrorist are not Muslims, praying 5 time a day and blast Masjids is not what Islam teach if they are brain washed and misguided people they’ll never come to a normal civilized life they have become wild and we have to deal with them as a hunter, if we don't root out them they'll continue killing our brother and sister, remember please! The Best defense is to Attack.

is it really smart to repeat the same lies the government officials rant on our TVs 24/7 .......... ??
all i say is to use your brains before you call some people terrorists or whatever .. dont just 'repeat' governemt propaganda "THEY TERROROSTS, WE GOOD, WE KILL THEM AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT" believe me brother if we let them kill our brothers and sisters ... THEY WILL COME TO OUR HOMES TOO.. THEY WILL KILL US TOO............... DONT BE FOOLED INTO BELEVING THAT 'THEY' ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS THATS WHY THEY 'MUST' DIE.. you know what goes around .. comes aroud.... what you do to others will come back to haunt you........... NO MATTER WHAT THE ODDS MAY SEEM....

answer me just one question : who destroyed the red masjid and jamia hafsa and killed all the women and children too............... ??? who were they .. the proud soldiers of a proud nation............ I DONT THINK SO ... . i guess this QUESTION must not be a difficult one to answer... besides this there are countless other examples when our PROUD soldiers destroyed mosques, madrassahs , demolished really poor people's houses under some flimsy pretext.... LISTEN : EVEN ARMIES MUST FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION ... EVERYONE MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE TO LAW.. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED UNDER WHAT LAW ARE THEY KILLLING INNOCENT (OR NOT SO INNOCENT PEOPLE) ?? HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED THAT EVEN THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO "PUNISH" ANYONE WITH "LEGAL DUE PROCESS"...... THEY TAKE THEIR OATH TO PROTECT PAKISTANI CONSTITUTION TOO.. AND ACCORDING TO THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION .. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THE RIGHTS ENDOWED BY IT "ie the right to defend themselves in a just court of law.."................ i cannot be more forceful in explaining this .... THE ARMOED FORCES SHOULD REALIZE THAT THEY MUST DEFEND THE CITIZENS OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.. they must show that they EXIST NOT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICIANS WHO MAY COME AND GO . BUT THEY EXIST ONLY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN.... THEY MUST NOT FOLLOW ORDERS THAT UNDERMINE THE "LEGAL" RIGHTS OF PAKISTANI CITIZENS ENDOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN ....

and especially after 2001 when have you heard Pakistan army ever defending pakistanis from foreign offensives... sep attacks from Nato forces... INFACT THEY "OWN" THOSE MURDEROUS EVENTS ... WITH DISTURBING 'PRIDE'

terraX wrote:

pamada wrote:

To Jazz_01:
Pakistani Army is brave and professional, in fact there are some cowards and corrupted generals destroying the image of Pak Army one of them is our current president and what Marshal-Law generals we had in past are very well known to everyone.

To terraX:
I’m not agree with you, nobody on this forum is appreciating killing of innocent people, tribal people are our brothers and Pak Army is deployed there to save there and rest of Pakistani people lives.

Pak Army is there to root out the foreign Terrorists who have brain washed some of our tribal people who think that suicide booming is a direct path to haven, they are killing innocents Pakistani on the name of Allah and terrifying local tribe people, they are blowing up our Masjids, girl’s school and you are asking us to feel shame; for what why???, so far Taliban aim is to push us in stone ages.

No my friend I’m not at all agree with you, in my opinion Terrorist are not Muslims, praying 5 time a day and blast Masjids is not what Islam teach if they are brain washed and misguided people they’ll never come to a normal civilized life they have become wild and we have to deal with them as a hunter, if we don't root out them they'll continue killing our brother and sister, remember please! The Best defense is to Attack.

is it really smart to repeat the same lies the government officials rant on our TVs 24/7 .......... ??
all i say is to use your brains before you call some people terrorists or whatever .. dont just 'repeat' governemt propaganda "THEY TERROROSTS, WE GOOD, WE KILL THEM AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT" believe me brother if we let them kill our brothers and sisters ... THEY WILL COME TO OUR HOMES TOO.. THEY WILL KILL US TOO............... DONT BE FOOLED INTO BELEVING THAT 'THEY' ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS THATS WHY THEY 'MUST' DIE.. you know what goes around .. comes aroud.... what you do to others will come back to haunt you........... NO MATTER WHAT THE ODDS MAY SEEM....

answer me just one question : who destroyed the red masjid and jamia hafsa and killed all the women and children too............... ??? who were they .. the proud soldiers of a proud nation............ I DONT THINK SO ... . i guess this QUESTION must not be a difficult one to answer... besides this there are countless other examples when our PROUD soldiers destroyed mosques, madrassahs , demolished really poor people's houses under some flimsy pretext.... LISTEN : EVEN ARMIES MUST FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION ... EVERYONE MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE TO LAW.. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED UNDER WHAT LAW ARE THEY KILLLING INNOCENT (OR NOT SO INNOCENT PEOPLE) ?? HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED THAT EVEN THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO "PUNISH" ANYONE WITH "LEGAL DUE PROCESS"...... THEY TAKE THEIR OATH TO PROTECT PAKISTANI CONSTITUTION TOO.. AND ACCORDING TO THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION .. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THE RIGHTS ENDOWED BY IT "ie the right to defend themselves in a just court of law.."................ i cannot be more forceful in explaining this .... THE ARMOED FORCES SHOULD REALIZE THAT THEY MUST DEFEND THE CITIZENS OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.. they must show that they EXIST NOT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICIANS WHO MAY COME AND GO . BUT THEY EXIST ONLY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN.... THEY MUST NOT FOLLOW ORDERS THAT UNDERMINE THE "LEGAL" RIGHTS OF PAKISTANI CITIZENS ENDOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN ....

and especially after 2001 when have you heard Pakistan army ever defending pakistanis from foreign offensives... sep attacks from Nato forces... INFACT THEY "OWN" THOSE MURDEROUS EVENTS ... WITH DISTURBING 'PRIDE'

You and me exist in this country because of our Javans standing in border protecting us, If people blowing our Masjids, buses and public sights in my opinion they are terrorist no body will call them Imam but if you call them your brothers then its your problem not ours.

Lal Masjids was a disaster provoked by corrupted Mullahs who involve there self deeply into politics and as a shield they used innocent Pakistani people. If you ever in your life read Quran please bring me the words saying go to Masjids with weapons????? Keep innocent people as hostages there??? I called them 100 and millions time a terrorist who killed inocent Pakistanis, if you call them your brothers its your ideoligical problem God will help you.
People like you are the big disaster for our country you educated people don’t pay your rule in the wealth of our country, you rather waste your time pushing us in stone ages!!! You bring religion to every issue and make it controversial by your behavior.
Please take a while and come out from your negative emotions, we all together only can make this country better. Be well!!!!

whose of this Taliban operation is just back fire of the policies which our Generals make and then they are never held accountable for it.Whole of this afghan policy is bleeding at this time.but not a single General is punished for this wrong policy.
same thing happened in Kargel , not a single General was punished.
so these things will keep on going like unless people who formulate those policiy are not punished if those policy backfire.